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Stop blaming the Canadian Smoke. We in Canada, do result as No Antibodies detected. If the patient had an antibody in the past, that is maybe below detectable limits, but was previously identified, those are also in report as historical and as such the patient would have a full crossmatch in gel as well as phenotypically matched for previously discovered antibodies.

I meant that they would NOT report it as "Negative", or "No Antibodies", but WOULD report occasionally as "All Clinically-significant Allo-antibodies have been Ruled Out using etc.", or words to that effect.

In the UK, it is STANDARD practice in all laboratories that I know to use either the phrase "No Antibodies Detected", or, more frequently, "No Atypical Antibodies Detected", as the latter also includes such things as the iso-antibodies of the ABO and H Blood Group Systems. Indeed, some go further still and use "No Atypical Allo-antibodies Detected", as this covers such findings as an auto-anti-H, auto-anti-I and auto-HI, as well as the ABO and H iso-antibodies. These phrases do not mean that there are no atypical allo-antibodies detected. It would be an incredibly rare set of screening cells and antibody identification panel cells that would both express, for example, the HJK antigen, or any other genuine low prevalence antigen. In some cases, where an atypical allo-antibody IS detected, but it is known to be clinically-insignificant (such as anti-Kna), we may use the phrase "No Clinically-Significant Atypical Allo-antibodies were Detected" (or words to that effect). One thing is for certain, and that is that a UK Reference Laboratory (and most hospital laboratories) worth their salt would report out as "Negative", or "No Antibodies", although, even using the phrases I've quoted above, occasionally the phrase, "All Clinically-significant Allo-antibodies have been Ruled Out using etc.", or words to that effect. MIND YOU - you have to remember that I am RENOWNED for being a pedant - but I learned it from a few good sources; Peter Issitt, Carolyn Giles and Joyce Poole (to name but three).

Believe me when I say that you are lucky!

Thank you very much Malcolm - you're the best! If you would clarify in the second paragraph please - worth their salt "would" or "would not" report out... we're filled with Canadian smoke here and it may be causing me confusion

I've attached copies of our procedure and our worksheet. Our Heme/Onc docs also order them on our patients post-transplant, and we occasionally get them ordered on kids where they suspect some sort of immune deficiency disease. TO-310 Isohemagglutinin Workup - Test and Titer__uncontrolled_copy (2).pdf TO-310F01 Isohemagglutinin Test and Titer Worksheet__blank_copy_id_8428444.pdf

I would be wary of relying on enzyme-treated red cells, as a negative reaction could be due to the cognate antigen being denatured by the particular enzyme used.

I agree with Malcolm. I would dig as deep as possible to find that antibody history. If none can be found, I would do AHG crossmatches. If it was a frequent antibody, the titers should rise to detectable levels soon.

Extended cross-match, UNLESS, the history of which other hospitals the patient has been treated is known. Of course, in the UK we have a national database of patient's antibodies, which makes life an awful lot easier, even if the data is just a "snap shop".

Give this a try. https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/time-distribution/radio-station-wwv/telephone-time-day-service

The trouble was that, in those days the anti-D immunoglobulin was known as "anti-D for Mum's Bums" in the UK, as the shot was given in the gluteal muscle. But, there was an awful lot of fat in that muscle, so the anti-D had a habit of "staying there", rather than being adsorbed into the blood stream. This meant that, even when the dose of anti-D immunoglobulin was calculated from the Kleihauer-Bekte test, the actual dose reaching the circulation was far lower than the calculated dose, and women used to produce allo-anti-D as a result. Nowadays (at least in the UK) the shot is given in the lateral deltoid muscle, where there is a good deal less fat, and so the shot is adsorbed into the circulation much easier, and so there are fewer cases of maternal allo-anti-D. I realise that this is a very vague explanation, and that there are many other causes of anti-D immunoglobulin being less than effective (such as giving it to the father, or even to the ambulance staff (SHOULD be unbelievable, but is actually true), but it does show just how complicated such a simple thing as this can be.

we use a calibrated stopwatch

I've never heard of that. While I can understand the rationale, I'm afraid that if there was enough of a fetal bleed to impact antigen testing mom there are bigger problems than just getting the antigen type right. Just my thoughts.

Most blood bankers I know have a pain tolerance only slightly less than their resistance to change!!

Agreed. The ONLY time we might perform anything like a post-partum screen is if the baby's DAT is positive, and the baby has clinical signs of HDFN, but the mother has not been shown to have an alloantibody in her circulation during the pregnancy. In such a case, we may well test the maternal plasma (or an ABO adsorbed and eluted sample of the plasma) against the paternal red cells (if available) to see if the antibody is directed against a low prevalence antigen expressed on the paternal red cells. Having said that, however, this would only be useful in a further pregnancy with the same male, as providing the present baby with a unit for top-up or exchange would be easy if the antibody is directed against a low prevalence antigen

In the UK, such a unit would be offered to the National Frozen Blood Bank, and would only be frozen AFTER a thorough aseptic wash, followed by addition of a chemical to prevent the formation of sharp ice crystals, and then more washing upon thawing. There would be no allo-anti-Kpb left!

We do not accept units from our regional supplier from donors with alloantibodies.

We accept patient (and unit) antigen typing done at our reference lab. I don't see why this would be different. You are there reference lab for anything that is beyond their limited ABID scope, right?

All, I am about to blow your mind.... Our plasma freezer is down and so is our backup. The freezer will not get colder than -18 C. I was preparing to move all the products into boxes with dry ice until I had a conversation with my 87 year old dad, a retired blood banker from University of Chicago. He said to me, do not take the plasma out of the freezer and put it in boxes, PUT THE DRY ICE IN THE FREEZER, IT IS THE BEST STORAGE BOX YOU HAVE!!!! MIND=BLOWN!!!! I did that. Our freezer is currently reading -25.1C and getting colder. Furthermore, the probes in the freezer continually monitor the temp in the freezer so you don't have to record temps every 4 hours, the chart is doing that for you!!! Isn't that cool? That perfectly illustrates the difference between wisdom and knowledge there. I wish we could hire my dad. I just had to share this here. PS. Freezer is now at -26.4C.

This is awesome! As many times as our freezer has gone done over the years, we never thought of putting dry ice in the freezer. Your dad is awesome!!!

Just be aware that dry ice turns into a gas. I presume your freezer is not fully airtight, but it could open rather violently depending on how tight it is sealed, and how long since the last time it was opened.

Best story/advice I've heard in a long time!!! Thanks for sharing it.

You did everything that was required in this situation. The patient was a trauma and needed emergency transfusion. The risk of death outweighed the risk of a hemolytic transfusion reaction in that scenario, according to the treating physician. I once had a trauma surgeon tell me "I can treat a transfusion reaction but I can't treat death!" That put things in perspective for me. That is why thy sign the consent. Next step would be to report this to your risk management department so that follow-up can be made, including monitoring the patient for the s/s of DTR.

Nothing is ever simple, is it? Especially when you get other folks involved. I stopped a dose of RhoGAM from being given to the baby. I've had nurses squirt some out of the syringe because "it's an early miscarriage, they don't need the full dose". I asked how they were calculating that dose and how did they know how much they squirted out...no answer .