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Well, as long as we are mentioning embarrassing things Nurses and Physicians say or do, I may as well own up to my own (though it isn't horrible). Was so busy at work one day and in the middle of a Transfusion Reaction work-up that when the phone rang, I answered "Transfusion Reaction, this is Brenda." To which the OR Surgeon replied, "well, I hope not!"

Oh well, we both laughed...

Brenda Hutson

Oh Brenda, I am so happy to hear that! I thought something was wrong with me... Often when I am signing results I will write the name of the person I just spoke to !!!! oh my!!! So it is common for the brain to hold on to its last thought. That was hilarious Brenda. also when I answer the phone I will say "Come in" and if some one knocks I may say "Hello".. Its so hectic..

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Many years ago, training as a new tech in blood bank in the evening (which was just coming up on gel technology), I got given the golden gem of advice - "If you get a weak positive in the gel card just respin it and it will go away". Needless to say this was just one of several symptoms that got this guy permanently banned from working down in blood bank, and eventually from the laboratory entire =P

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Well, I coined my own phrase (and method of testing) at one large Medical Center I worked at; it was called the "Scorch and Vortex method of Antibody ID." But of course I was only kidding...

Yesterday I was observing one of our new employees (last year's CLS student) for annual competency on Type and Screens. He called me when he took his GEL screen out of the centrifuge so I could observe him read it and enter the results. He held it up to me and said, "so it is negative." My reply: "Yes, it goes much better when you don't add the plasma, doesn't it?" He paused for a second; then laughed.

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Many years ago, training as a new tech in blood bank in the evening (which was just coming up on gel technology), I got given the golden gem of advice - "If you get a weak positive in the gel card just respin it and it will go away". Needless to say this was just one of several symptoms that got this guy permanently banned from working down in blood bank, and eventually from the laboratory entire =P
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Oh, no.....not Micro.......they keep changing the names of those organisms!!

Speaking of changing names, there is a bug that used to be Pseudomonas maltophilia and it was changed to Xanthomonas maltophilia. Soon after it was changed again to Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, I was working in Micro (I know micro and blood bank is a weird combo!) and a doctor called the lab and said "I'm sorry, I'm hoping you can help me because my patient seems to have a dinosaur!" :giggle:

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Speaking of changing names, there is a bug that used to be Pseudomonas maltophilia and it was changed to Xanthomonas maltophilia. Soon after it was changed again to Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, I was working in Micro (I know micro and blood bank is a weird combo!) and a doctor called the lab and said "I'm sorry, I'm hoping you can help me because my patient seems to have a dinosaur!" :giggle:

Good one!!!

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I saw this article today as well, and told my coworker that I might have to relearn the Genlab so that I can still have a job. It also brought to mind another article 1-2 years ago about researchers that were able to remove A and B antigens from RC surfaces to make O blood that would work for anyone. I haven't seen anything about that since!

When I was in Med Tech school 30 years ago, the use of 'artificial blood' was supposed to be imminent. Still waiting....... Before stealth blood hits the market, maybe I'll be retirement age and I won't have to relearn Chemistry (yikes - scary thought! especially if I have to learn how to use a Cobas analyzer).

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Have been training a new tech for the last few weeks. About 2 weeks ago we were experiencing a standard day in blood bank. Within a five minute period we suddenly had 2 STAT cross matches and a transfusion reaction going. Happened to have a MLT student with us that day too. After the "deer in the headlights" look from the new tech and the student, I assured the new tech it would all be fine. I assigned him one of the STATs and took the other STAT and the transfusion reaction myself. During this period we also had several other things going on as well. After things settled down a bit, the student said that she had been a bit afraid of blood bank prior to that point, but now was certain she was terrified of it. I told her that was a good thing as blood bank is a place to NOT make any mistakes. We reviewed the choices that were made "in the heat of the moment" and looked to see if anything should have been handled differently (decided we were satisfied with the way things progressed). Trying hard not to laugh I explained that the calm disposition exhibited during the "mini-crisis" we had experienced came from extensive training and practice. After rolling my eyes to demonstrate my sarcasm at the statement I had made, I did remind them that the scenario was a good example of why it is necessary to stay organized, focused, and if at all possible to avoid interruptions in blood bank.

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Deny, here's what I teach for dealing with crises: Ask yourself, "who's dying." If no one is dying you can take a deep breath and prioritize knowing that the outcome is not as critical as you might have been feeling. If someone is dying, that's who you take care of. If more than one person is dying you call for help. It lends a valuable bit of perspective.

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Very good advice Mabel. Many years ago we had a ruptured aneurysm with anti-K. I was working with one other tech and we had no reinforcements at hand. You try to stay ahead with the AAAs, but with antigen screening and full crossmatches we slowly lost ground until we had no more crossmatched blood. We got a panic call from the OR "Send us 10 units immediately or the patient will die!" We looked at each other, took segments and a unit# sticker off 10 units and dumped them on the dumbwaiter that went up to the OR on the floor above us. No paperwork, no testing, no nothing. The patient took those, and a lot more, but we eventually caught up with testing and documentation. I think one of the units was K+. The patient expired that day, but not from lack of blood (or a transfusion reaction - you don't have much antibody circulating after bleeding 40-50 units of RBC). For me, that's as bad as it gets, and that's what I teach my techs and students. Every place has their emergency release protocol, you follow it and do what you can to keep up.

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Thanks Mabel, I use that wisdom in my life outside BB (is there one, oh I guess so. :-)) My job is so stressful that having to stand in a long grocery line or some such is no big deal. "Is someone going to die because I can't get to the post office today? No? Then get on with the important things.

:meditate::meditate::meditate::meditate::meditate:

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I got a call from a Dr. yesterday about to perform a C-Section. He asked why he didn't have results on Jane Smith, I said well, I just received the specimen in the department and just set it up. It will take about 25 minutes for incubation. He said well when will it be finished. I said hopefully about 25 minutes. He continued to say, I have my CBC results and I KNOW they take longer to finish then a type and screen. He said, that the CBC takes 30-35 minutes and the TS should take less. I responded in my calmest tone. Sir, actually a CBC can take a lot less time then that and a screen takes 25 minutes. He said fine and hung up. I just had to laugh at the fact that he KNEW that the CBC takes longer then a TS!!!!

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My absolute favorite is when you report to a physician that the blood for his surgical patient is not ready because of a positive antibody screen that has not yet been resolved. The reply 'no problem-we can just give o neg blood' And no-I am not kidding!!!!

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I must say that I'm really enjoying this post. The funniest diagnosis that I've seen was on a patient with an order for two units of platelets. The diagnosis was "Thrombocytopenis"!!! Lol. Hope my post doesn't get censored, but it's the truth!

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I called up results of a positive antibody screen on an OB patient, 10 minutes before the start of her C-section. The anesthesiologist immediately called back and demanded to know how she could possibly have a positive screen now, when her pre-natal screen was negative! (umm...doc...how about "primary immune response?"...)

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It could just be that he was surprised; given that the prenatal screen had been negative (in that I'm sure they do not like to get those kind of surprises)?? He would have wanted to monitor her and/or the baby. Also, we find that some contracted labs can be a little sloppy in their work so that we end up with different blood types and/or different Antibody Screen results. It is possible that her screen was positive before and was just missed.

Anyway, just some thoughts...

Brenda Hutson

I called up results of a positive antibody screen on an OB patient, 10 minutes before the start of her C-section. The anesthesiologist immediately called back and demanded to know how she could possibly have a positive screen now, when her pre-natal screen was negative! (umm...doc...how about "primary immune response?"...)
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It could just be that he was surprised; given that the prenatal screen had been negative (in that I'm sure they do not like to get those kind of surprises)?? He would have wanted to monitor her and/or the baby. Also, we find that some contracted labs can be a little sloppy in their work so that we end up with different blood types and/or different Antibody Screen results. It is possible that her screen was positive before and was just missed.

Anyway, just some thoughts...

Brenda Hutson

The different Blood groups!!!!!!!!!!! that is a killer. I mean it literally.... the patient will say BUT I know I am of a different Blood Group. What can I say? "the other lab was wrong"........ never !!! those words may bring the other lab manager to his/her last day on earth. So to the next question: Can blood groups change?? I say yes of course!! all the time!! (and I am not 100% lying)..

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You are not lying at all here Liz. Not even considering the "human error" side of things ie. phlebotomist/nurse collecting the wrong patient, mislabel, blah blah. I could continue on and on as I'm sure we all could. I have seen a couple presentations of Bone Marrow Transplant recipients that received a transplant of a different blood type. It takes a bit, I don't remember now how long, but the recipient's blood type will change to the donor's type.

I'm guessing that's not what you were referring to--but I thought it was worth mentioning because the science behind having your blood type physiologically changed is fascinating to me!

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You are not lying at all here Liz. Not even considering the "human error" side of things ie. phlebotomist/nurse collecting the wrong patient, mislabel, blah blah. I could continue on and on as I'm sure we all could. I have seen a couple presentations of Bone Marrow Transplant recipients that received a transplant of a different blood type. It takes a bit, I don't remember now how long, but the recipient's blood type will change to the donor's type.

I'm guessing that's not what you were referring to--but I thought it was worth mentioning because the science behind having your blood type physiologically changed is fascinating to me!

Well, it does and it doesn't!

The Lewis type remains that of the recipient, so that, if the donor was Le(a-b-), and the recipient was Le(a-b+), even when the graft takes, it will be Le(a-b+).

In addition, if the donor is group O, and the recipient group A or B and a secretor, the graft will either make no anti-A / anti-B, or will make only very weak anti-A / anti-B. This may be because of immunological tolerance, or because the recipient keeps producing enough soluble ABO antigens to inhibit the anti-A or anti-B, or both reasons.

You can often adsorb and elute either anti-A or anti-B from the graft's "group O" cells in such circumstances.

:whew::whew::whew::whew::whew:

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