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Posts posted by galvania
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And I forgot to say - no, this is not the pattern of an anti-I
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Presuming you are in a normal lab, you should
1. Find out about transfusion history as a matter of considerable urgency, including plasma products
2. do your normal exclusions (I would be a bit worried about an anti-Jkb with something else
3. Use additional cells
4. Put up a saline RT panel
5. Fully phenotype your patient
6. Do a DAT - look very hard for a mixed field
Then review!
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the same as you would for any other antibody
But you need to make sure that if there is an anti-Lea or -Leb present that it is reacting strictly at 37°C. Otherwise no clinical relevance at all
- Tabbie and Malcolm Needs
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Cells are coated with complement artificially. some methods will also cause IgG to be coated. IF the cells are used according to the method they were designed for the manufacturer will have made sure that , in that method, the IgG does not react. The problem starts when the complement-coated cells are used in other methods or, worse, for the CAP survey. The C3-coated cells that are used for the CAP survey almost always react with anti-IgG in gel because of this - but the cells used are actually designed only to be used with anti-C3 in tubes.
so my advice would be, if you are using complement coated cells to control your anti-complement reagents, don't use them to check for negative reactions in anti-IgG
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Regarding the plasma - maybe needed complement to react?
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there are plenty of reagents out there that allow you to cover all the other significant antigens on a mini-panel of D-negative cells
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It's not so much the pH as the osmolarity. With saline cells can 'hang' in the gel.
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Maybe do it a third time.....
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and I still don't understand why they thought that this patient was polyagglutining anyway!
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Why does he think it might be contaminated? Good reason or not?
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Probably no - but more details would be helpful
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I am suitably ashamed. But no, I did not put the really naughty one
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I just answered this question.
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My ScoreFAIL
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Plus, if you have problems, neither Ortho nor DiaMed (now BioRad) would give you any support I guess
- exlimey, Malcolm Needs and SMILLER
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The reactions you will see in gel cards are based on the ability of un-agglutinated cells to pass through the material in the column to get to the bottom; and agglutinated cells to be retained. The centrifugation speed and the time of centrifugation are carefully calibrated so that that happens. But that is specific to factors such as the size of the card, the weight of the card, and numerous factors relating to the contents of the well (type of gel/beads etc) and everything you add to the well. So as the two cards are not the same, the parameters will need to be different as well.
- Malcolm Needs and Yanxia
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It would appear (not published) that some cells from sub-Saharan African donors MAY nor have CD38 on their red cells. So beware if you have a negative result on cells that are ccD.ee, Fya-b- . This might not exclude an anti-CD38. I have seen two such cells and have had reports on others
- Bb_in_the_rain, JasonS and Malcolm Needs
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I would not be in favour of going back to whole blood transfusions (except in countries where they have no choice!). The point about 'everything being present in the one bag' is fine - if the donor has only just been bled. But that is not likely to be the case. How many active clotting factors remain after the blood bag has been stored for a couple of weeks?
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So you have a forward group that is positive with anti-A, -B, -AB, -D and the control; and the reverse group is positive in all cells and the antibody screen and panel (and, I imagine the auto control) is positive in everything. It sounds as though you do not have a single negative result.
This sounds to me like a cold AIHA, possibly due to medication, possibly secondary to another hematological disease (leukaemia?), possibly post infection.
Do you have any other clinical information you can give us?
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I have actually seen a number of these beasts - usually as a result of a complaint that cell x did not pick the cell up when cell y did - and cell y just happened to be a K+k-. Usually these were antibodies that were detected years ago and whose levels have now fallen, predictably, with time.
The pragmatic point is - you are never going to get every single set of screening cells with a k- cell in them. If you've got one, great - use it! If you haven't I still would not lose any sleep over it. Malcolm's points above are of course totally relevant as usual
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The word 'significant' is interesting in this context. In most of -Europe antibodies that are detected only in enzymes, including the enzyme-only anti-Es and -Cws would NOT be considered significant and most of the time would not be detected in the first place. Nor would the numerous anti-Lea, -Leb and -P1 that you would pick up. Always assuming that you are working with a sensitive IAT in the first place, of course.
DVI +ve or DVI -ve?
in Transfusion Services
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Very simply - NO, NO and NO. It is not for nothing that it is called ....'for donors'.
However, just so something else is well understood. Using a card that is 'negative for DVI' does not mean it will be negative for any other Partial D.