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exlimey

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  1. Blood Bank staff

    There is a very good reason why "generalists" avoid Blood Bank and transfusion medicine - it's complicated and you need a lot of specific training to do it well. Even today, with a significant level of automation, a warm body is often needed to interpret results and give recommendations. And then add the fact that there is a seemingly endless list of "exceptions", "equivocal", "indeterminate", and other levels of results that confound even a trained (SBB) person, let alone an "every other weekend, third shift" employee. Cross-training is a must for very small, low volume facilities. No question. However, once work gets to a certain level of complexity and volume, institutions should seriously consider having dedicated staff. I don't know how "generalists" manage to maintain their legally-required competency levels.
  2. I like the approach taken/suggested by Baby Banker and pbaker, but it does need a moderately high skill set to make up the selected panel. Perhaps that's not possible in the "average" blood bank? A follow-up question: Are you performing titrations (potency) of the antibodies that are identified? If so, how often ?
  3. I think I understand what you're saying - we don't want to miss isogglutinins, but why is this practice only applied to cord samples ? If you want to perform a cold autoadsorption, preparing the cells (washing) with WARM saline would be better - this would theoretically eluate off some of the already bound immunoglobulins and free-up antigens for binding of additional (auto)antibodies. You would have to "cool-off" the warm-washed cells before actual use in the adsorption.
  4. The question was somewhat rhetorical: I know why it's done and agree that the approach is quasi-logical (as Malcolm points out). There appears to be more emphasis on detecting isoagglutinins on cord cells than in older patients, perhaps with good reason. I was attempting to make folks think about the logic of some of the tests/processes that have become "normal". One could argue that we should want to detect isoagglutinins on any patient's cells, regardless of age, and therefore we should use "cold" wash solutions universally - what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
  5. In my opinion: Antigens are unlikely to "wash away" or be "altered" by washing with normal saline. [One exception: Lewis antigens may be liberated during washing.] Antibodies, on the other hand, are more likely to be eluted from red cells by excessive washing with acidic saline. I doubt any publications exist that prove excessive washing has the effects you describe, but I would love to be proved wrong.
  6. What is the reasoning behind using "cold saline" for cords and not other samples?
  7. Testing using DTT-treated cells

    Based on your initial screen, it appears that the patient's cells are probably already coated with antibody (DAT-positive). Unless you are DTT-treating the patient's cells - not typically part of the testing protocol - they will remain DAT-positive and therefore reactive in the second series of tests using the DTT-treated screening cells.
  8. Please explain your logic.
  9. Questions: Is the saline used for tube washing the same as that used in the automated cellwasher ? What is the pH of your saline(s) ? Why was testing repeated ? What was "wrong" with the original results ? If the pH of the saline used is low (acidic), it can cause elution of bound antibodies. A total of eight washes in mildly acidic saline in the first case may have resulted in a negative DAT. A weakly positive result in the second case may be because the cells were not exposed to the same degree of acidity (fewer washes, less time exposure).
  10. A neg OB with anti-Yta

    Don't forget....in this case......Rh-negative units are required. Multiply by 0.15 !!!
  11. A neg OB with anti-Yta

    As I understand it, IgG2 and IgG4 do not cross the placenta easily, whereas IgG1 and IgG3 are "actively" transported from Mother to baby. Obviously the baby benefits from this passive immunity. Since most examples of anti-Yta are predominantly IgG4, that's why they don't cause HFDN, especially since, as you mentioned, the Yta antigens are poorly expressed in utero. Never say never, but I doubt that anti-Yta occurs naturally. Cartwright system antigens are poor immunogens, so from my point of view, the antibody's existence implies repeated stimulation. That being said, your patient may be a "super-responder". I don't if anyone really understands why immune responses vary or how some result in different IgG subclasses.
  12. A neg OB with anti-Yta

    I think matching Rh and K is a good idea. My foggier-by-the-day memory leads me to believe that most of the examples of anti-Yta that I've seen were single specificity. I do remember a couple with anti-D and at least one with anti-c. As to longevity......anti-Yta tends to fade away over time in the absence of additional stimulation. In your patient, additional pregnancies may be a source of re-stimulation, so her antibody might be more persistent. As usual, these are generalized statements and opinions. There are always antibodies that don't read the literature.
  13. A neg OB with anti-Yta

    I echo Malcolm's sentiments - you appear to in control of the situation. One wrinkle, perhaps: Are you able to "sell it" to the physicians ? It has been many moons, but I have performed dozens of MMAs on examples of anti-Yta. Almost all were considered insignificant and even those that were over the threshold were barely above. Add the fact that they are almost universally IgG4 - no harm to the baby and minimal risk of a transfusion reaction. The examples that did just make it into the "significant" interpretation usually had a touch of IgG1 and/or IgG3. I have no hard data to support it, but I'm quite sure that many of the patients (even those with "significant" results) received Yt(a+) blood without consequence. If the case arises and in my opinion, giving Rh-negative blood is way more important than fussing about anti-Yta. Given your geography, it might wise, albeit extremely cautious, to suggest the patient move to the "big city" (Portland) for Christmas, but that would only hold true if the physicians want easier access to Yt(a-) blood.
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