goodchild Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Does anyone have any experience with this company's gel product line and/or the Erytra? Very curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkaw Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'd like to know this too. I was visited by a Grifols rep this week. He told me that they manufacture the Ortho Provue and that now, they are going to market it themselves under the name Wadiana.Wondering how Grifols products and customer service stack up against Ortho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Saikin Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I am having a Grifols presentation here in 2 weeks. They did make the Provue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csjuarez Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I used the Grifols Wadiana AKA Provue when I worked in Saudi Arabia for a few years. Wadiana & Provue are same instrument. In SA our reagents came through Diamed, so don't have any direct experience with Grifols or Erytra customer service or products. OxyApos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustaKIDD Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Does Grifols have IS crossmatch available on Erytra or Wadianna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkaw Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I'm pretty sure both the Erytra and the Wadiana would do an IS XM. But it would probably be faster to do it in tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkaw Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 David, how did your Grifols presentation go last year? My sales rep came to see me yesterday and wants me to go to Virginia to see the Erytra in action in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodchild Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) @JustaKIDD They do have an IS-equivalent via neutral cards. It would probably only make sense to run IS XMs on the Erytra if you were going to wrap it into a profile test with the IAT-XM. Edited January 15, 2016 by goodchild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabel Adams Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Grifols says that their IgG gel cards do not require IS crossmatches to be run separately in addition to detect ABO incompatibility like Ortho requires when you run an IgG xm. We got to trial Grifols' manual workstation for a week or two so we ran some ABO incompatible units (A units for B patients with weaker reverse types). The results were comparable between MTS IgG gel, Grifols IgG gel and tube--all 3 methods found one of 3 units to be compatible. The unit turned out to be a subgroup of A. This is why I think the computer algorithm is a better way to detect ABO incompatibility than any serological test, but it did show that Grifols IgG gel did a comparable job of detecting ABO incompatibility. I think the main difference in this regard is how the two companies are willing to deal with the fact that their method may sometimes miss ABO incompatibilities (just like tube testing can). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkaw Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Mabel, so what's your assessment of the Grifol's manual gel workstation? Do you like it better than the MTS gel workstation? I am sore at Ortho for not including tube incubation wells in the new manual gel workstation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mld123 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I am interested in your opinion of the Manual Gel as well. I am holding off on order new Ortho Worstations for Gel. I have not heard great things about the new design and I am looking at other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricore Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Our company is just starting to bring up the Grifols instruments, Erytra, Wadiana, and DG reader. 12 sites ranging in size from small rural hospitals to a Level I trauma center. The 2 largest will have all 3 instruments. All will be interfaced to the LIS. I will keep you posted. Currently they are using ECHOs and Provues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodchild Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 We're going to trial some of their reagents, a manual workstation, and a card reader in the near-ish future. I saw a demo of the Erytra and was very impressed, until I looked at some of the images the Erytra took of the gel card reactions and interpreted as negative - a few of them looked like what the ProVue would call ? or 1+ but were still being interpreted as negative. When I asked the technologist, I didn't get a very satisfying response. Has anyone else had a chance to see an Erytra in action yet and seen this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricore Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 3 hours ago, goodchild said: We're going to trial some of their reagents, a manual workstation, and a card reader in the near-ish future. I saw a demo of the Erytra and was very impressed, until I looked at some of the images the Erytra took of the gel card reactions and interpreted as negative - a few of them looked like what the ProVue would call ? or 1+ but were still being interpreted as negative. When I asked the technologist, I didn't get a very satisfying response. Has anyone else had a chance to see an Erytra in action yet and seen this? I queried the tech who perfroming the validations for the Grifols instruments and she said said she has not seen any problems as described above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodchild Posted January 19, 2016 Author Share Posted January 19, 2016 Interesting, thank you for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustaKIDD Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 That is interesting about Grifols stating they do not require an IS xm-it is my understanding that it is a regulatory requirement to detect ABO isogglutin compatability, which does not come through at IgG phase. With that said, AABB has recently blessed the EC to fulfill this need (anyone else confirmed this)? But to say it is not necessary I believe is misleading, unless it was expounded on to address how to satisfy the regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bldbnkr Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Following this thread. Is anyone using the DG Manual Gel system by Grifols? I had the presentation, it looks like a good product, I like the idea of a combination tube spinner/gel card spinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Easley Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/14/2018 at 8:59 AM, bldbnkr said: Following this thread. Is anyone using the DG Manual Gel system by Grifols? I had the presentation, it looks like a good product, I like the idea of a combination tube spinner/gel card spinner. We have an Erytra and one manual station for back-up. It’s rarely used since our analyzer is so reliable, but when we use it it works great. The gel is clearer and easier to read than our previous MTS cards. Not sure what you mean about the “spinner”...our centrifuge just holds gel cards. The incubator, however, holds tubes and gel cards. Perhaps there has been a change since we went live last February? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bldbnkr Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Carrie Easley said: We have an Erytra and one manual station for back-up. It’s rarely used since our analyzer is so reliable, but when we use it it works great. The gel is clearer and easier to read than our previous MTS cards. Not sure what you mean about the “spinner”...our centrifuge just holds gel cards. The incubator, however, holds tubes and gel cards. Perhaps there has been a change since we went live last February? Hello again, That was my mistake in reading the literature...I was reading the specs for the DG Therm (incubator) and not the DG Spin centrifuge. Darn! It would have been nice. Carrie Easley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 We have been using the Erytra for 1 1/2 years now. There were some kinks that had to be worked out (as with any new instrument) and they quickly implemented changes with version upgrades. As far as seeing what appears to be agglutination on the Erytra, but which it is calling Negative.....if you click on the gel card and enlarge the picture, you might think they are ALL positive! They seem to show every little cell.....so I recommend you do not enlarge it to that extent. They also have some reactions which they refer to as hazy but which one might think were positive. It is in that sense....a little different from Ortho and ProVue and takes some getting used to. But there are so many advantages and attributes to this automation. Yes, they made the ProVue.....but this is very different (I do not have experience using the Ortho Vision....just saw it in a Demo and have heard that it too has had some kinks to be worked out). What I like about the Grifols Erytra is that they are very quick to respond to client ideas/ suggestions/ issues and make changes. Brenda Hutson, MT(ASCP)SBB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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