Ab0301 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 HiIn our lab we use ortho technology. We see an extraordinary number of patients with anti-M. In the last few weeks we have had a few patients with a clear anti-M reactive by IAT at 37oC. These patients are positive for the M antigen and DAT negative, no history of transfusion. Can anyone give advice? Should these patients be getting M- red cells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanxia Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 DAT neg , pos M antigen and anti-M antibodies, that is intersting, what about the auto-control. Just my guess, because the ortho tech is very sensitive,so weak antibodies can be tested, but the patient has anti-M on his own cells , but it is too weak to be detectd by DAT test , maybe autocontrol and elution can tell us something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumbert Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Are many of your patients on renal dialysis? Do you test serum or plasma?Do you test manually, in y gel, or with LISS? Do you include an immediate spin in your testing?Anti M is usually considered not significant but sometimes, it attaches on direct agglutination and doesn't elute off whith washing but if the antibody reacts under strict pre-warm conditions, it should probably be treated as significant.We experience frequent Anti-M in dialysis patients and found it was happening only after dialysis.We learned it was because the clinic sterilized their dialysis machines with a dilute formaldehide solution. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMILLER Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Someone check me here, but one of the reasons we do not worry about M so much is that cold insignificant antibodies, including some autos, often mimic anti-M. Having said that, if a strict pre-warm does not get rid of it at 37 (or coombs), I would say you are stuck with a possible anti-M IgG. It's odd you turn up so many of these though. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1R2 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Be careful with the reagent anti Ms out there. Some only require a RT incubation with no centrifugation before reading. I have found that centrifugation may cause false positives. Read those package inserts! Edited April 10, 2015 by R1R2 Yanxia and tbostock 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Also be aware that, in addition to the problem of anti-M sensitising red cells in a very short time frame, but taking longer to elute off, as stated by Chuck above, the columns are slightly acidic, and the M/anti-M reaction just loves acidic conditions - some as low as pH4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Saikin Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I too have seen a few anti-M's with M+ pts recently. These were only reactive with the homozygous expression of M and the pt's also had an underlying cold agglutinin (specificity undetermined). These M's were not clinically significant. Tube testing did not demonstrate any alloimmunizations . . . we transfused prewarmed, IgG xm compatible rbcs. My Medical Director is comfortable with transfusing without M typing as long as we can document there is no anti-M activity at 37C/ahg phase. I agree, watch out - Ortho's anti-M should not be centrifuged. Malcolm Needs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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