SMILLER Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 We came across a report from a reference lab (not a BB specialty lab, and not one we routinely use ourselves), that had this comment after the results for a negative prenatal type and screen:"This test is intended as a screen to detect those IgG antibodies implicated in hemolytic diseases of the newborn. It does not routinely detect IgM antibodies and thus is not suitable for screening for irregular antibodies prior to transfusion."We are debating why this lab thinks that this disclaimer is necessary. I have an idea, but I wonder if anyone else has any thoughts.Thanks, Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Seems rather like the same get out clause we use, for legal reasons.We never say that there were no atypical alloantibodies (or no additional atypical alloantibodies) present.We always say that there were no atypical alloantibodies (or no additional atypical alloantibodies) detected, and then go on to state which techniques we used.In this way, if there is an antibody directed against a low frequency antigen present (such as anti-Vw) that we have missed because it was not expressed on the red cells we used for testing, we won't go to jail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John C. Staley Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I do believe that is what we have for years, fondly referred to as the : CYA statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMILLER Posted May 14, 2012 Author Share Posted May 14, 2012 Seems rather like the same get out clause we use, for legal reasons.We never say that there were no atypical alloantibodies (or no additional atypical alloantibodies) present.We always say that there were no atypical alloantibodies (or no additional atypical alloantibodies) detected, and then go on to state which techniques we used.In this way, if there is an antibody directed against a low frequency antigen present (such as anti-Vw) that we have missed because it was not expressed on the red cells we used for testing, we won't go to jail!Thanks, Malcolm. Can you tell me the special significance of the IgM part of the comment? If I am not mistaken, detecting IgM can help in predicting when an otherwise IgG titer starts to rise, but I am not sure why they mention it in regards to a transfusion when reporting out pre-natal screening results. I wonder if they have their disclaimers mixed up a bit.Thanks, Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I do believe that is what we have for years, fondly referred to as the : CYA statement!Spot on John!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Thanks, Malcolm. Can you tell me the special significance of the IgM part of the comment? If I am not mistaken, detecting IgM can help in predicting when an otherwise IgG titer starts to rise, but I am not sure why they mention it in regards to a transfusion when reporting out pre-natal screening results. I wonder if they have their disclaimers mixed up a bit.Thanks, ScottWell, almost all antibodies, including anti-D, can be IgM only when they are first formed, but things like anti-Jka or anti-Vel and some others can "stay" as IgM, but may not cause agg;utination without some form of potentiator - but I do agree that they could have made their statement more succinct (that, coming from me?????????!!!!!!!!!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabel Adams Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Yeah, it's the IgM part that seems strange. If they are testing with anti-IgG rather than polyspecific then so are the rest of us, including for transfusion. I think it is a CYA statement written from the reagent package inserts by someone that doesn't entirely understand the testing. Or maybe it was written a very long time ago when polyspecifica AHG was more the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kate murphy Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Or perhaps the technique they are using has no intermediate steps that would show an IgM antibody. Capture sandwich technique will not show an IgM antibody. Or maybe they're using PeG and only have an anti-IgG reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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