Posted January 26, 201510 yr comment_59068 We occassionally have problems with PeG testing where the check cells fail. These are the high protein plasma's that turn super cloudy when PeG is added. Handwashing and "flicking" the cells off the bottom of the tube inbetween washes helps some, but some are really stubborn and just won't check. Does anyone else see this and what do you do? thanks.
January 26, 201510 yr comment_59069 if you are washing by hand you should probably add an extra wash. (maybe you should calibrate your serofuge for PeG washes too if you have that much problem resuspending the cell button). If you use automated cell washers, some do not wash PeG tubes efficiently.
January 26, 201510 yr Author comment_59072 Thanks for your ideas David. To clarify what I wrote, we do have automated cell washers, but with these samples the buttons get super stuck to the tubes and the check cells never work. So techs are instructed to repeat testing and wash by hand so the buttons can be re-suspend between washes and give them an extra wash. Occasionally though, even this doesnt work.
January 26, 201510 yr comment_59073 We usually wash at least 4 times when using PeG (whether using cell washer or hand washing).
January 26, 201510 yr comment_59079 Thanks for your ideas David. To clarify what I wrote, we do have automated cell washers, but with these samples the buttons get super stuck to the tubes and the check cells never work. So techs are instructed to repeat testing and wash by hand so the buttons can be re-suspend between washes and give them an extra wash. Occasionally though, even this doesnt work. Are you using plastice tubes? I don't know if it makes a difference. I use glass 10x75s and wash 4x by hand. Usually no problems.
January 26, 201510 yr comment_59083 When we had Baxter cell washers (CW2) we had the same problems. We now have Helmer cell washers and they seem to do well with PEG.
January 26, 201510 yr comment_59097 When we had Baxter cell washers (CW2) we had the same problems. We now have Helmer cell washers and they seem to do well with PEG. That's interesting. Any idea why the Helmer cell washers seem to do better? Donna
January 27, 201510 yr comment_59109 We were seeing the same thing with Lo-Ion lately. We didn't contacted the company as we were switching to a new company for reagents.
January 28, 201510 yr comment_59120 Donna, My only guess (and its only a wild guess) is that the Helmer must mix the cells better between cycles.
January 28, 201510 yr comment_59121 Donna, My only guess (and its only a wild guess) is that the Helmer must mix the cells better between cycles.My guess also
January 29, 201510 yr Author comment_59129 Helmer does agitate between washes. I thought that was standard for wash cycles.
February 2, 201510 yr comment_59173 When I worked in a reference lab, we had certain patients that we just always tested using LISS rather than PEG for exactly the reason you mentioned. The PEG seems to cause precipitates.
February 3, 201510 yr comment_59177 Some patient samples just don't work with PEG. We would switch testing to, perhaps, tube Saline IAT.
June 23, 201510 yr comment_60760 Hello,I just encountered this problem over the weekend. I used LISS to resolve the issue as per our protocol.
June 24, 201510 yr comment_60771 PeG can precipitate plasma proteins. You may have better results with serum. We use 12x75 tubes and usually have no problems with our old Centra W cell washers x 4 washes. Once in a while we might have to add an extra wash. We have also seen rare patients who just don't want to check no matter what you use for enhancement. One we actually had to wash through 3 cycles of 4 washes before the cells would check. You hope the antibody hangs on tight.
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