Posted July 16, 20241 yr comment_89511 Yes, this again. OR wants to use it; the circular still says not to. Does anyone have any definitive data that allows the use of Lactated Ringers solution in blood infusions? I see one small study out of Canada in 2009. I'm not sure how it could be allowed when the Circular of Information specifically says never to use it.
July 17, 20241 yr comment_89516 I did come across one article where the author recommended changing guidelines for the use of Lactated Ringers in transfusion but only in times of "Rapid Infusion" such as during trauma. I would suspect there would be too many clots in the tubing otherwise. I would imagine there needs to be much more study on this with specific guidelines created. I work in a small hospital and like that it is black and white to NOT use the Lactate Ringers. With the Blood Bank being responsible for all transfusions, I wouldn't want to be a part of a situation where someone used a solution when it was not indicated that resulted in a bad outcome. I'll embrace change when the Circular says otherwise What articles has the OR read and offered? Is the surgeon previously military? Just wondering where they saw that Lactated Ringers has been used....
July 17, 20241 yr comment_89519 The preferred solution for administration of blood components should be Plasmalyte. Less hemolysis in vitro. Normal saline is toxic to patients and should never be used, in my opinion. Causes a metabolic acidosis and kidney injury. Ringer's lactate is fine too, but as you note, is forbidden (based upon no data whatever) by FDA. The only patients who might benefit from normal saline are those with a metabolic hypochloremic alkalosis, which is very rare. Our enthusiasm for normal saline was entirely misplaced. Randomized trials show it to be harmful and increase mortality in critically ill patients. Balanced Crystalloids versus Saline in Critically Ill Adults. Semler MW, Self WH, Rice TW.N Engl J Med. 2018 May 17;378(20):1951. doi: 10.1056/NEJMc1804294.PMID: 29768150 Free PMC article. BACKGROUND: Both balanced crystalloids and saline are used for intravenous fluid administration among critically ill adults. ...METHODS: In a pragmatic, cluster-randomized, multiple-crossover trial in five intensive care units at an academic center, we assigned 15,802 adul … Balanced Crystalloids versus Saline in Noncritically Ill Adults. Self WH, Semler MW, Wanderer JP, Wang L, Byrne DW, Collins SP, Slovis CM, Lindsell CJ, Ehrenfeld JM, Siew ED, Shaw AD, Bernard GR, Rice TW; SALT-ED Investigators.N Engl J Med. 2018 Mar 1;378(9):819-828. doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa1711586. Epub 2018 Feb 27.PMID: 29485926 Free PMC article. Clinical Trial. BACKGROUND: Comparative clinical effects of balanced crystalloids and saline are uncertain, particularly in noncritically ill patients cared for outside an intensive care unit (ICU). METHODS: We conducted a single-center, pragmatic, multiple-crossover trial comparing balan … Balanced Crystalloids versus Saline in Critically Ill Adults. Semler MW, Self WH, Wanderer JP, Ehrenfeld JM, Wang L, Byrne DW, Stollings JL, Kumar AB, Hughes CG, Hernandez A, Guillamondegui OD, May AK, Weavind L, Casey JD, Siew ED, Shaw AD, Bernard GR, Rice TW; SMART Investigators and the Pragmatic Critical Care Research Group.N Engl J Med. 2018 Mar 1;378(9):829-839. doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa1711584. Epub 2018 Feb 27.PMID: 29485925 Free PMC article. Clinical Trial. BACKGROUND: Both balanced crystalloids and saline are used for intravenous fluid administration in critically ill adults, but it is not known which results in better clinical outcomes. METHODS: In a pragmatic, cluster-randomized, multiple-crossover trial conducted in five … Edited July 17, 20241 yr by Neil Blumberg
July 17, 20241 yr comment_89522 Transfus Apher Sci. 2023 Jun;62(3):103641. doi: 10.1016/j.transci.2023.103641. Epub 2023 Jan 13. Association of crystalloid fluid infusion with intravascular hemolysis and organ dysfunction in hematopoietic stem cell transplant patients Melissa R Holloway 1, Thomas Fountaine 2, Kelly Henrichs 3, Tate Feeney 4, Jeffrey Andolina 5, Kristen O'Dwyer 6, Jane Liesveld 7, Neil Blumberg 8, Eric Huselton 9 Affiliations expand PMID: 36653255 DOI: 10.1016/j.transci.2023.103641 Abstract Endothelial cell activation and injury is common after hematopoietic stem cell transplant (HSCT) and is associated with many post-transplant complications. An underexplored mechanism of endothelial cell damage in this population is the infusion of normal saline (NS, 0.9 % sodium chloride) and other crystalloids, as NS use is associated with adverse outcomes in other patient populations. We hypothesized that the infusion of unbalanced crystalloids during HSCT may lead to changes in biomarkers commonly associated with red blood cell (RBC) hemolysis in patients before and after infusion, and that markers of endothelial and end-organ damage during admission may be associated with markers of hemolysis and total crystalloid use. Samples were collected from 97 patients. From pre-fluid infusion to post-fluid infusion, mean haptoglobin decreased (11.7 ug/ml vs 8.4 ug/ml; p < 0.0001), hemopexin decreased (549 vs 512 μg/ml; p = 0.005), and red cell distribution width (RDW) decreased (15.7 vs 15.6; p = 0.0009). During admission (mean 19.4 days, SD 9.9), all markers of tissue and organ damage, including mean creatinine, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), blood urea nitrogen (BUN), total bilirubin, AST, and ALT, increased from admission to peak levels (p < 0.0001). On linear regression, fluid volume (ml/kg) of crystalloid infusion positively predicted post-fluid infusion cell-free hemoglobin (r(96) = 0.34, p < 0.0001), free heme (r(96) = 0.36, p < 0.0001), and peak LDH during admission (r(75) = 0.23, p = 0.041), and negatively predicted post-fluid infusion hemopexin (r(96) = - 0.34, p < 0.0001). Unbalanced crystalloids may contribute to hemolysis and endothelial damage in HSCT patients. Alternatives such as buffered crystalloid solutions (PlasmaLyte, Lactated Ringer's) may be worth investigating in this population.
July 18, 20241 yr comment_89531 Forgot to add, Plasmalyte is also FDA approved for use with blood components. No data :). In our OR, there is no normal saline at all, just Ringer's Lactate and Plasmalyte, the latter used for blood component administration. Plasmalyte is slightly more expensive than normal saline, but also somewhat less toxic.
July 30, 2024Jul 30 Author comment_89675 It looks like we may begin to use normosol-R which I think may be plasmalyte from a different vendor.
July 31, 2024Jul 31 comment_89693 I had a unit come from the OR with LR attached. The filter and tubing was full of clotted RBC. This fit with my theory that adding calcium back into the unit didn't play nicely with the citrate anticoagulant.
August 1, 2024Aug 1 comment_89706 21 hours ago, applejw said: I had a unit come from the OR with LR attached. The filter and tubing was full of clotted RBC. This fit with my theory that adding calcium back into the unit didn't play nicely with the citrate anticoagulant. As bad as it was, it's good on occasion to see first hand what can happen if things aren't done correctly. That's when we become a true believer.
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