Mohandoss Murugesan Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 we got a day5 old newborn blood sample for exchange transfusion,we did grouping of both the new born and mother- both were A1positive. we x-matched 2 A1pos PC with mother's sample, both were incompatible. Babys DCT was positiveMothers ICT was positive- panreactive 4+ with Diamed 3 cell and 11 cell panelMothers DCT was negative.Mother was multigravida with previous 2 child,no H/o Jaundice.we phenotyped both the baby and motherBaby: D+ C- E- c+ e+ K+ k+ Fya+ Fyb+ S+ s+Mother: D+ C- E- c- e- K- k+ Fya+ Fyb- S+ s+In mother :Is it possible to present only with D+ and neg for rest of the Rh antigen?if so then can we suspect Anti f in this case?with regardsMohandoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 we got a day5 old newborn blood sample for exchange transfusion,we did grouping of both the new born and mother- both were A1positive. we x-matched 2 A1pos PC with mother's sample, both were incompatible. Babys DCT was positiveMothers ICT was positive- panreactive 4+ with Diamed 3 cell and 11 cell panelMothers DCT was negative.Mother was multigravida with previous 2 child,no H/o Jaundice.we phenotyped both the baby and motherBaby: D+ C- E- c+ e+ K+ k+ Fya+ Fyb+ S+ s+Mother: D+ C- E- c- e- K- k+ Fya+ Fyb- S+ s+In mother :Is it possible to present only with D+ and neg for rest of the Rh antigen?if so then can we suspect Anti f in this case?with regardsMohandossIt certainly is possible for an individual to be -D-/-D-, if highly unusual.Basically, it means that, whilst the RHD gene is normal, and the RHD protein is expressed "normally" on the red cell surface, the RHCE gene is either missing entirely, or is mutated in such a way that the RHCE protein cannot be expressed on the red cell surface.I say the the RHD protein is expressed "normally", but in such cases, there is normally exulted expression of the RHD antigen, to such an extent that the red cells can be agglutinated by some IgG anti-D reagents without the use of albumin, enzymes or AHG. In other words, saline suspended -D-/-D- red cells can be agglutinated by selected IgG anti-D reagents with no potentiation whatsoever.Given that the baby is DAT positive, I would be very wary of the baby's typing, especially the K+.However, I would be much more wary of your supposition that the specificity of the maternal antibody is anti-ce; it is much more likely to be anti-Rh17, and if this lady really does require transfusion, she would probably require blood from another -D-/-D- individual, or an Rhnull individual.This case most certainly requires to be examined by a large Reference Laboratory.:excited::excited::excited: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Eggington Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Are your typing reagents 'direct spin' or IAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohandoss Murugesan Posted December 20, 2010 Author Share Posted December 20, 2010 Dear Malcom, thanks for your explanation. Exchange transfusion for the baby, we thought of bleeding mother for compatible blood, since she is pallor,we were left without option. As the baby is with kernicterus now, we gave incompatible blood for this baby.What other alternative can we do now for this patient?We used direct spin reagent for phenotyping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Dear Malcom, thanks for your explanation. Exchange transfusion for the baby, we thought of bleeding mother for compatible blood, since she is pallor,we were left without option. As the baby is with kernicterus now, we gave incompatible blood for this baby.What other alternative can we do now for this patient?We used direct spin reagent for phenotyping.Hi Mohandoss,The fact that the baby is icteric makes me even more sure that your lady has made anti-Rh17, as it is extremely rare for anti-ce (anti-f) to cause clinically significant haemolytic disease of the newborn.I'm not sure what other blood you could have given under the circumstances, as I presume this was an urgent transfusion, but there is a very good chance that the baby will require more transfusions, and it may be worthwhile asking for help from one of the International Frozen Blood Banks, where -D-/-D- or Rhnull blood may be available (the same applies for Mum, if she requires transfusion). Where abouts in the world are you?The other thing you could try is looking for compatible blood amongst your lady's brothers and sisters, if she has any.Even if your reagents are immediate spin, I would still worry about the results, in case they are ptoentiated IgG reagents, and giving false results because of the baby's positive DAT, rather than true IgM reagents.:salute::salute: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanxia Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Malcolm's explanation is wonderful. And Maybe her is D../D.. Malcolm Needs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohandoss Murugesan Posted December 20, 2010 Author Share Posted December 20, 2010 In pondicherry, India. Will try to find compatible blood among their relatives..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 In that case, you may be able to get help from the Mumbai frozen blood bank??????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohandoss Murugesan Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 we will try to contact blood bank in Mumbai .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rravkin@aol.com Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Mohandoss,Thank you for this very interesting and educational case, and please post the outcome.And, thank you Malcom for your sharing your expertise and your continued commitment to BB practice and education; it is always appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Thanks rravkin@aol.com, and from my point of view, I'm only too pleased to be of help if I can.I couldn't do anything without other people posting such interesting cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohandoss Murugesan Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 Dear Malcom and rravkin, unfortunately the baby expired on 7th day , due to sepsis. We gave two incompatible exchange transfusion as a life saving measure, since the baby developed kernicterus.We got the detailed history, the mother is of gravida 6, 3 live birth and 3 abortions and phenotyped one kid, father and maternal grandmother of kid. We contacted our referral center in Mumbai, before processing further ,baby expired.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Needs ☆ Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 That is a very sad situation Moandoss, but thank you for sharing it with us.I would still be most grateful if you would consider sharing the results from your Rference Laboratory with us, so that we may know what antibody specificity the mother actually has, and so that we can learn more from this ragic case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L106 Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 How unfortunate, Mohandoss. Please do share the findings from your referral center with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rravkin@aol.com Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Mohandoss,I am saddened and at a loss for words; but as Malcolm and Donna have stated please share the followup results of your findings. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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