John, It's good to hear your confirmation of Biologics and your idea of scissor proof bands is excellent! I fear that my lab director (she is not a blood banker, she is an administrator) has her mind made up and is convinced that it's OK to blindly accept the DOB, MRN and name as the bottom line in patient identification. Seems benign enough in theory, but if you go just with the hospital armband as the means of labeling a blood bank clot, then I fear that there is a greater probablility for a sample to be labeled away from the bedside. Going directly to the band and printing a label ATTACHED to the patient has more safety built into the system. I hope I can persuade, but I am a solo anal BBer here. Yes, educating staff and relearning is paramount for any system.